The identification of the life motto 'what must be done must be done' was sitting across the table from us in the fifth episode of this season. Born and raised in Helmond-West, in the illustrious Haagje. He worked for Defense, the AIVD, Commando Troops, the Special Forces and the ratings hit Kamp van Koningsbrugge. It is a man, apparently, made of stone. With a boyish sparkle in his eyes. It became a conversation about brotherhood, fear, wanting to be a nozem and having the right mentality. Finally a veteran on the podcast. And we can tell you, it did not disappoint.