S5E2 - Joris van Heukelom
Now on all your streams, S5E2 of the Ekte Verhalen podcast. It turned out to be a very long and in-depth conversation, with a small stumble in the first few minutes. So after about three minutes you briefly hear two intros on top of each other. As if Joris and I are chatting away at each other. You can keep a little thing, but after about thirty seconds of confusion we immediately dive into the depths, asking the question of questions: pauper or elite?
Because we don't want to deprive you of Joris's wonderful introduction, it follows here again, without anyone talking through it. Then you can enjoy more than two and a half hours of in-depth talk in all forms.
Welcome to the second episode of the fifth season of Elitepauper's Ekte Verhalen podcast. A podcast where we have been zooming in on the pauper side of elitepauper for five seasons, we are looking for a more elite side in this episode. The guest of this episode was Director Digital at Sanoma and partner at Makerstreet. 'But that was a past life, what he is now and what he stands for now. According to his Linkedin bio he is: 'Relentlessly focused to make people and organizations better'. But also. 'Cynical regarding corporate theatre'. In one of his more recent interviews he said he was 'completely done with the corporate world.' That's one of the things I'd like to talk to him about in this episode.' As an entrepreneur, but especially as a human being, the guest of this episode is the ideal guest to take a hard, critical look at the corporate world, that task structure full of SLAs, KPIs and Bila, or perhaps even put it under fire. On a personal level, a conversation with this Belgian has never made me dumber. He is the depth psychologist who pointed out to me that I lived more on my handbrake than on my steering wheel. And that conversation left me wanting more. That is why today I would like to introduce to you none other than Joris van Heukelom.
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